…they already have shaman, why not? It seems to be a natural extension, and they do live next to the night elves after all.
-Night elf shamans
Similar reasoning to draenei druids.
Would the Light turn away anyone willing to embrace it? Seems to me the answer would be ‘no’. And yes, I truly do want a moocow priest, even if those first few levels are so very very painful. The same logic could be extended to paladins. To flesh out a silly thing I spouted off in comments on my previous post:
And the Earthmother said lo, the sun is my eye, and as I shine the Light down upon you, so shall you embrace and worship it. Just remember, my children, that all who walk upon my back are one. You shall respect them, and have compassion for them, however different from yourself they may be. Be as tenacious as stone and let nothing sway you from your path.
…well, why the hell not? Humans are, if nothing else, adaptable. There have already been human rangers.
These weren’t my idea-certainly at first, it seems strange. But look at night elf demon hunters. They used the magic and skills of there enemy against them, much as the death knights use their own powers against Arthas. Perhaps a small sect of draenei decide to embrace demonic powers in order to better fight the dark. If even Naaru go through a dark phase…
#1 by Light on August 18, 2009 - 11:04 am
Draenei can be shadow priests, why can’t we be warlocks too? Show us some love!
#2 by Dorgol on August 18, 2009 - 12:00 pm
In the original Lore, a Warlock was originally a Mage that turned to shadow and demon magic.
Looking at the existing races – every race with “Mage” also has “Warlock” with the exception of the Draenei and Trolls.
Trolls SHOULD have Warlocks. There are Troll Warlocks scattered all over the game. We have several instances and raid devoted to Trolls summoning “the bad” into Azeroth.
Draenei, though, literally saw 2/3 of their entire race enslaved by demons. And not in a subtle “drink the blood and become badass” way like the Orcs.
It would be an interesting setup. Maybe even have some inter-faction problems. All Draenei Warlocks are “Hostile” towards the Exodar faction?
#3 by Chris Anthony | Duct Tape and a Prayer on August 18, 2009 - 12:16 pm
You just hit on why there are no Draenei or Troll warlocks: it’s not a matter of “can’t” so much as “won’t”. For the draenei it’s memories of the Burning Legion and their devotion to the Naaru; for the trolls it’s probably largely hatred of Zalazane.
It’s unlikely that Blizzard will implement them with an own-faction hostility, too, simply because it would be a pain in the ass for both players and developers. Either your starting area is full of NPCs who will attack you on sight, and you can only level through mob-killing or going to another area altogether – or draenei warlocks are moved to a different starting area entirely, which presents the double problem of “why should this specific race-class combination get special dispensation” and “what the hell is a level-1 draenei doing in Eastern Kingdoms” (remember, night elves have no warlock trainers either).
(Troll warlocks could actually probably stay in Durotar, because there are precisely three Darkspear-aligned NPCs in the game and so it wouldn’t really be an issue.)
#4 by Light on August 18, 2009 - 12:31 pm
I think “won’t” is too strong of a word. Draenei have shadow priests already, and by the lore this is an abomination is it not?
They haven’t locked out that school of magic so it’s not a stretch to allow warlocks. They can always add trainers to boot.
#5 by Ambrosyne on August 18, 2009 - 12:45 pm
Chris, “but the they wouldn’t do that due to past Bad” is the same reasoning I give for not having night elf mages, and look at everyone stomping all over that. :P
“But if they’re DESPERATE” is reason enough…I…guess. But that’s why I made the connection to demon hunters. Most people are appaled by them, but there’s a few just that desperate/insane/determined to walk that path. I never said they would be LIKED…far from it.
Oh the tortured RP, I can see it already! The newest source of /wrist emo since DKs.
#6 by Chris Anthony | Duct Tape and a Prayer on August 18, 2009 - 1:08 pm
@Light, there’s some confusion between shadow priests (priests who take talents from the Shadow tree) and the Forsaken priests who devoted themselves entirely to the Shadow. The latter are an abomination; the former – well, everybody gets Mind Blast and Shadow Word: Pain, so it’s kind of odd to think of them as an abomination. Besides, there’s a difference between “allowing shadow magic” and “allowing explicit consortment with demons”.
@Amber, I’m not thrilled with night elf mages for exactly the same reason. I think it’s a silly development and I’m pretty deeply set against it. (Besides, you can’t play demon hunters in-game either. :P)
#7 by Suicidal Zebra on August 18, 2009 - 1:18 pm
Troll Paladins. Definitely Troll Paladins.
#8 by Worldmage on August 18, 2009 - 3:13 pm
Draenei druids and NElf shamans: I can sort of see it. With the cultural exchange that seems to be going on with the NElves and the Draenei it would be possible, and neither race would have philosophical or religious problems with it, I think. I don’t feel like the Draenei are all that close to nature despite the Shamanism, though, but maybe their proximity to the NElves are getting them back to that.
Human hunter: honestly I dunno why they don’t already exist except for the cap of 6 classes per race that Blizz had initially. They definitely exist in the lore and I even think there are a few in game.
Everything Priest: Yeah, I completely agree with you there, though I’d point out that not all Priests worship the Light (Trolls, NElves, and Forsaken in particular). Of course, that just gives more justification. If Priests can be Priests of anything and every race worships something (except maybe the Gnomes >_>), then there’s no reason why we can’t have every race become priests.
Draenei Warlocks: I can see it happening since they already have an apparent aptitude for arcane magic, though lore-wise it would require a lot of justification just like NElf mages. If there’s a major disaster that basically leaves everyone desperate some might turn back to their old Eredari ways just as more NElves become more accepting of arcane magic in a pinch, but it seems that they might be even more resistant to accepting warlocks than the NElves with mages because of their history of being actually enslaved by demons for quite a while.
Though this also raises the question of why there are no Troll Warlocks. Even in lore, I can’t think of any Trolls that trucked with the Burning Legion at all. I can’t think of any cultural reason they wouldn’t (they’re obviously as corruptible as anyone else), and since the Darkspears seem to have learned magic from the Forsaken I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t have learned the demonic version from them as wel.
#9 by Prot on August 18, 2009 - 5:18 pm
Trolls have always been slaves, similar to the way orcs generally are. So, it could be a basic premise of “We will not enslave anything to our will.”
It’s also weird to get Troll Druids. There have been plenty of evil trolls consorting with animal spirits as shown through ZG and Zulaman. So, it could finally be a case of fighting fire with fire and embracing that part of themselves.
#10 by Loldrood on August 18, 2009 - 8:09 pm
If undead can have priests, so should everyone else.
This DOES mean they’re going to have to skin out dozen new druid forms for each race, though. Kinda have to wonder how they’d distinguish Draenai druids, though. Bears in turbans?
#11 by Kallo on August 19, 2009 - 1:14 am
I call for Druid Shadow Priests!! Shadow Bear Form and we’ll see who has the last laugh…
#12 by Chavez on August 19, 2009 - 8:16 am
According to the article on WoW.com (can’t link it from work), human hunters are already planned. The lore behind it is pretty much what you suggested (human rangers) – the most famous of which being Nathanos Something-or-other who turned into Nathanos Blightcaller of OMG RAID QUEST vanilla WoW infamy. The natural progression of that is Forsaken hunters since if humans can do it and Forsaken are just (un)dead humans, then Forsaken can do it too.
#13 by Zalgosh on August 19, 2009 - 9:37 am
Humans can be paladins, right? So if the Forsaken are just (un)dead humans…
(crosses fingers and hopes)
#14 by Jim on September 28, 2009 - 9:01 pm
Draenei druids, please!
Elekk form instead of bear too of course!