I am a Terrible Retadin

I know, I know: ret pallys faceroll their way to DPS.

I am, apparently, terrible at it anyway-at least in my current rag tag collection of gear.  It’s mostly epic but not all goodepics, I’ve still got some blues and a tanking trinket on, one of my rings is a green, and none of it is enchanted.  Oh, and I need to work on my two handed mace weapon skill.  I will somehow find the time for this between leveling my prot warrior and gearing my hunter and raiding on my priest.  H ToC continues to hate me and the boy’s healadin, though, so I can at least continue tanking my way to ret gear.  Not that it ever drops it, or the tanking gear I want, but you know…

I’m starting to take my DPS gear seriously because I’m taking my tanking with her seriously-as a perpetual OT it’s a good idea to have a DPS spec ready to go for one tank fights.  I want a tank that’s at least passable for whatever our current level of content is “just in case”, as we have a plethora of healers and just enough tanks.  That, and I do enjoy paladin tanking.  I’d hate to give up my original toon entirely, you know?  I’m rather attached to my Ambrosyne. 

Tonight I get run home and try to assemble my healing UI before the raid, thanks to my hard drive’ sudden death last night.  Can I heal with the default UI?  Sure, but I’ll cry a little inside.  I did copy over Josh’s WoW folder, though, so I can get a lot of what I need by just sorting through that.

Still: QQ.

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  1. #1 by shadowtycho on October 5, 2009 - 11:37 am


    anywho, as demonstrated by my GM, you can do 6k dps as a retpally from a blackberry by macroing 4 abilities to 1 button…

    6k dps on xt, so damage amped and such but still.
    he couldnt move and dps at the same time so we had to move when he got bombs and such, and had to tank the dude in a crazy position but 6k from a blackberry on the train home has been done.

  2. #2 by adgamorix on October 5, 2009 - 11:48 am

    Don’t feel bad about not doing great ret DPS. I consider myself to be a top notch protadin/healadin, and I can make my warrior do tricks with either Arms or Fury. My mage has dungeon blues and can push 3k on some nights, and the same with my enchance shaman.

    I have all 226+ ret gear, and I still can’t faceroll my way to greatness. It’s why our druid offtanks instead of me.

  3. #3 by Vorian87 on October 5, 2009 - 12:13 pm

    ret paladins aren’t “great” dps per se but they are damn good (i play one :D )

    the “rotation” is simple but then it is the same for ele shamans, shadow priests, destro locks and fury warriors (ptr experience)

    imo what differentiates a good ret paladin from a bad one is what other spells you use during a fight… do you help cleanse? through a few insta flash lights around? bubble-sac? and so on and still keep up your dps

  4. #4 by Ambrosyne on October 5, 2009 - 1:27 pm

    I’m talking…1.2k DPS in heroic HoL. The tank out DPS’d me. \o/

    So uh, I’ll work on that.

    It felt almost dirty to go ret. I mean…nearly 5 years now and I’ve never gone ret!

    Oh, and I stand in whirlwinds.

    /hands head in shame

  5. #5 by Joe Ego on October 5, 2009 - 1:45 pm

    You’re wearing plate. You were made to stand in whirlwinds.

    At least, that’s what I tell myself every time I catch one while getting my swings in to regen mana.

  6. #6 by Ron on October 5, 2009 - 2:22 pm

    I smile when I read about you playing the role of scrub dps :). I know I’d be 10 times worse so I’m glad I never went down that road

  7. #7 by Forreststump on October 5, 2009 - 2:32 pm

    Four buttons to WIN (arranged on your bars or mapped to keys of your choice left-to-right:

    Button1 – Hammer of Wrath (top priority when it becomes active)
    Button2 – Macro as follows:
    /castsequence reset=4 Crusader Strike,Judgement of Light,Crusader Strike
    Button3 – Macro as follows:
    /castsequence reset=10 Divine Storm,Consecration
    Button4 – Exorcism (use when Art of War is up, which should be most of the time)

    Button 2 combines your single target attacks (which also happen to be the top two priority attacks, HoW notwithstanding). Similarly, button 3 combines your AoE attacks (and are priority 3 and 4 behind CS and Judgement). Just mash the first available button that isn’t on CD (SingleTarget macro, AoE macro, Exorcism), hit Divine Plea on first available GCD, and Avenging Wrath at will (unless being saved for a coordinated Bloodlust).

    Two less buttons to worry about via combination in /castsequence macro makes life easier in a FCFS (first come, first serve) rotation like Rets use.

  8. #8 by Vorian87 on October 5, 2009 - 3:03 pm

    cast sequence macros are childish and reflect a lazy attitude…

    do your macros know when you are low on mana and should not be using consecration on cooldown?

    it is just better to have all the keybinds as separate (hammer of wrath, seal, judge, stun, crusader strike, divine storm, exorcism, consecration is how i do it)

  9. #9 by Ambrosyne on October 5, 2009 - 4:44 pm

    But if I reduce the number of buttons in my main bar, it will not match the number of situational buttons I have on the bottom bar! Noooo! They must match!

  10. #10 by Slikrx/Balthazario on October 5, 2009 - 8:40 pm

    I hear the faceroll thing quite a bit, and if playing a Rret is “easy”, MAN it must be brutal playing other specs…

    I just wow-armoried Ambrosyne and the only thing I notice is that the gems you have aren’t strength ones. Also, (I’m a bit weird here) I like getting crit & haste as well. (and maybe I was seeing your tank gear?)

    Other than that, just focus on “first off cooldown” and staying in/out of the correct positions, and it will get better. I assume you know all the right stuff, but just in case.. ;)

    Use Seal Vengeance for long fights, Seal of Righteousness for short ones (less than 20-30 seconds)If the boss is interruptable, maybe throw in a Seal of Justice now & again.

    Other than that, I just follow the elitist jerks recommendations…


  11. #11 by Vorian87 on October 5, 2009 - 11:59 pm

    in addition to what slikrx said, u want SoV for bosses that last longer than a minute and SoR otherwise. use SoCasino for 2+ mobs

  12. #12 by Katurian on October 6, 2009 - 2:14 am

    If it makes you feel any better, I’m going to be a horrible Disc Priest! =D I’ve played for 6 years, off and on, or something…never healed a MOMENT in my life.

    Bought my Disc last night.

    Plan on being shamed off my server by the end of the week! =D Cheers!

  13. #13 by Ambrosyne on October 6, 2009 - 9:19 am

    @Slikrx – She may have been in tanking gear-I know all of her gems are str/something else in her ret gear, because straight str gems are a first born child a piece. :o

  14. #14 by Forreststump on October 6, 2009 - 9:43 am

    If efficiency is lazy, then I’m lazy.

    No, the macro doesn’t know when mana is low – that is the responsibility of the user to be aware. That hasn’t changed. If Consecration should be skipped because of mana, don’t press the AoE Attack button a second time (like a stand-alone Consecration button would also be left alone). The macro resets at 10 seconds – precisely when Divine Storm (the higher priority attack) is off CD.

    The only times I’ve ever had mana issues playing a Retribution paladin is when I’ve forgotten to use Divine Plea (or when fighting General Vezax), or (in weird circumstance) my rotation got so twisted around during a hectic portion of an encounter that Judgement (and the accompanying mana burst from Judgements of the Wise) wasn’t being hit with the usual regularity.

    My philosophy is “more with less”. To each their own – mileage may vary.

  15. #15 by Rat on October 8, 2009 - 9:14 am

    I think the main think ppl need to remember when playing any paladin is that we are hybrids. Warriors don’t have the option to heal…. We do a decent job at healing/tanking/DPSing but not the best at any of them.

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