First Impressions of RS

Enjoy the view when you first walk in because it’s a lot of pain after this.

Imagine you’re a guild in about the same state is BoO.  You’re still working on ICC normal, on the last boss or two, or only recently downed LK.  You like your pity buff.  You’ve gotten kind of used to said pity buff, though.

Ruby Sanctum is going to be a bucket of cold water to you.  OS, it is not.

This is trash.  You remember trash, don’t you?  REAL trash, now, not that pansy ass shit.  See the marks on it?  Yeah, we put those marks up there after we wiped to this trash once.  Drag out your dim memories of having a “kill order” and blow off the dust.

DI: sometimes it’s only to save on the caster’s repair bill.  Bye bye, Ori!

As to the end boss, all I have to say is “OW, ORBS”.  When uh, we actually kill him, I’ll let you know, mmkay?

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  1. #1 by Verde on July 1, 2010 - 9:36 am


    I was looking forward to this tonight… now i dont want to log on :(

  2. #2 by Psynister on July 1, 2010 - 9:53 am

    No, you don’t want to log on Verde.

    I think we wiped 15 times and only managed to get the first mini-boss down.

    RubSac is serious business.

  3. #3 by dorgol on July 1, 2010 - 9:53 am

    I went to a PuG that managed to kill 3 trash packs and then just sat around in front of the first boss.

    I went in the next day with a semi-PuG but full of top-of-the-server-raiders. We downed trash and mini-bosses with ez, but didn’t manage to get Halion down within the time we were allotted.

    I will say that healing the Twilight Realm as a Holy Paladin was very, very frustrating:

    – “Oh look! Lots of AoE damage!”
    – “Oh look! We have to move when we get a debuff!”
    – “Oh look! We have to move as a group at the same time!”

    I personally caused one wipe when I cleansed a debuff too soon.
    Then another healer caused a wipe in Phase 2 by running in front the boss during a big breath.
    Then there were just random wipes for funsies.

    Still, was nice to see new content when it is new… :)

  4. #4 by Demeternoth on July 1, 2010 - 9:56 am

    You’re in the same spot as our guild Amber. We had a LOT of pain in there last night. This is not a cake walk.

  5. #5 by Ambrosine on July 1, 2010 - 10:22 am

    “Then another healer caused a wipe in Phase 2 by running in front the boss during a big breath.” That was so me at one point. >.> BUT I AVOIDED THE LASER BEAM THIS TIME!

  6. #6 by tytalus on July 1, 2010 - 10:32 am

    Likewise, the guild I’m in spent 3+ hours on RS-25, and cleared enough to get one try on Halion.

    But I see the priest is still sporting the bondage look. Appropriate for RS, eh?

  7. #7 by Kaylex on July 1, 2010 - 10:34 am

    Our guild sent 2 groups in on the first night. One group was able to get Baltharus down, my group was able to get Saviana down… But other then that it was a painful and frustrating experience, even with 3 healers (holy pally, druid and disc priest)

  8. #8 by theerivs on July 1, 2010 - 10:41 am

    If at first you don’t succeed….maybe you just suck.

  9. #9 by Anafielle on July 1, 2010 - 10:47 am

    Sadly we also had several wipes on trash.

    I actually thought it was interesting. We actually had to THINK about it rather than just gather it up and AE it down! Although the wipes depressed everyone.

    Halion himself took us a full 3 hours, but we finally – and very messily – killed him dead.

    EZ mode for the ridiculous progression guilds I guess but a nice challenge for the normal guilds out there.

  10. #10 by jeffo on July 1, 2010 - 12:57 pm

    But..but…it looks so EASY on TankSpot!

  11. #11 by Nzete on July 1, 2010 - 1:21 pm

    So, I don’t like dragons much. And twlight realm.. .you suck… big fat ugly dragon with a stun on the tail and a one shot on the head occupying most of a side with the death beam just waiting to smack you for a one shot.

    For bonus fun, server lag make the death beam “somewhere close to but not necessarily where it appears.”

  12. #12 by Voink on July 1, 2010 - 2:26 pm

    I’ll trade our Halion 10 man kill for your LK kill.

    We 2 healed it, although I was doing most of the cleansing as a moonkin to help them out.

  13. #13 by Joe Ego on July 1, 2010 - 6:32 pm

    We managed to 1 shot the left miniboss with less than 5 people alive. We definitely need to rethink our approach and actually, you know, understand what is actually happening on that fight.

    The other two were 2 shots and there is a lot of room for improvement.

    For the right side knowing we can tranq the flame pulses we’ll be able to position appropriately for Confag at the start, rather than hoping those players can run away from the others fast enough.

    For the back miniboss we’ll have our OT’s move in closer to the MT to make swapping easier. Hopefully this doesn’t burn the melee too badly.

    Our problem is definitely phase 2 survivability. I have two ideas. 1) treat it like Blood Princes. Extra healers and living >> dps. 2) make the incompetents stay in the the physical realm until phase 3.

  14. #14 by Ekinara on July 1, 2010 - 6:44 pm

    Another big hint for him (didnt down him because my guild has a severe problem with GTFO mechnics) your melee will fair far better in the twilight realm. Though with the amount of movement in there you probably already figured that.
    Also combat rogues in the twilight need to be very very cautious of when they hit Killing Spree I on at least one occassion got put straight in the middle of his body 2 Seconds before the beams triggered needless to say it was yet another rogue floor tank.

  15. #15 by Xerian on July 2, 2010 - 12:10 am

    I was there with my tank, and I didn’t get the impression trash was that hard. Hell, if I can tank a whole 5 Mob group on my own, they just don’t hit that hard.

    Baltharus is serious, when we killed him he died just after my co-tank and me. Saviana and General are easy…


    I think the biggest problem currently is, that too much people depend on addons like bigwigs and DBM and whatever they are called.
    We had wipes to totally unnecessary things, because the healers didn’t pay attention to Fiery Combustion/Soul Consumption, every time the beam activates for the first time half the raid dies instantly…

    Sunday I’ll heal that stuff, so let’s see how different it is from tanking.

  16. #16 by Echo on July 2, 2010 - 7:02 am

    Our melee in our alt run sucked so hard we just put me on my ele shaman, a main Demo Lock and an alt SP in the twilight realm and let the melee go outside. Its not DPS thats important anyway – he has little health – its Equal pressure on both sides. Provided people talk to each other its just rinse repeat for the rest of the fight. If you have to move to not get orbed (cheeseslicered as I like to call it) its fine to move. The outside should be going just as slow as well. We killed it after about 8wipes most of which were to do with brain farts on orbs or people entering portals too soon.

    I haven’t done it on echo yet – although we spent hours wiping just to get to phase 3 on 25hm. That was interesting. I can almost seethe conversation at blizzard’s HQ.
    “so this is essentially Sartharion redux”
    “I know right! but lets make the raid wiper a circular movement instead of a wave”
    “and lets make it so its kalegcos and he has to die in 2 realms at once”
    “nice. any more mechanics we can shoehorn in?. What about hardmode?”
    “meh double the orbs and give them some adds. They love that shit”

  17. #17 by morkuma on July 2, 2010 - 2:01 pm

    My morning run got to ph3 no real issues. One shotted everything (pug) but our tanks kept dying to lazerballs.
    night run was the one mentioned in this post. Lol

  18. #18 by Rãine on July 4, 2010 - 12:05 am

    One of my raid teams got our server 2 10 man kill and loved the whole place. I’m going in with the other team on Mon, so I’m hoping we’ll have more luck.

  19. #19 by Teoita on July 4, 2010 - 8:31 am

    The only attempt we had on Halion (after a couple wipes on the first mini boss), our imba MT runs in screaming WEEEEEEEEEEE like he has since we first met Rotface, and obviously he dc’s. Disappears into nothing. Half an hour later he comes back on vent, changes his note to”pls come on chat” and informs us that his pc fried and that we had to call it :( But yes, there’s lots of nasty stuff in there. Very very nasty stuff.

  20. #20 by Aoladari on July 6, 2010 - 2:23 am

    I know you did a major cleanup, but I’m still here… just struggling to find motivation.

    I just revamped the layout so I don’t look like a Saunder copycat. =)

  21. #21 by Echo on July 6, 2010 - 8:34 am

    Ran out of time this week due to shit setups for Hardmodes.

    Fun fight, as I said you don’t need too many people alive to kill it you just need enough DPS on each side to balance out otherwise you won’t dps through his regen and you’ll gib a tank. We ended I think with half the melee dead – casters entering the twilight world cursing about how easy the orb was to deal with only to die immediately. People failing at the debuff. Only 15 of us up when he went down. Still a lot to learn if we’re ever going to have a decent shot at HM.

    I think one of the dangers of RubSac is the fact that tanks all seem to think they have ICCbuff health and healers doing ICCbuff healing. Had a couple hairy moments on trash and on the fights tbh.

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