Posts Tagged Paladin
Josh wants to work on his DK’s gear, so I volunteered to tank for him-as a DPS, nothing beats having a tank buddy for insta-queues. My paladin could still use some badge gear, as I do use her for Ulduar hard mode tanking.
As always, I am…quite vocal while tanking. Josh is treated to a slew of commentary, usually along the lines of “You know, I can hold the aggro on that caster over there just fine IF YOU DON’T FUCKING TOUCH IT YOU FUCKING MORON!” and “I guess the concept of waiting until I position the mobs is entirely foreign to you.”
In one particular Halls of Lightning run, I was pulling conservatively. Not only do I tend to this out of habit, but the group had already proven that they couldn’t keep their trigger happy mitts off single mobs I was dragging.
This does, however, often leave me faced with mana problems-I’m usually running around sans a piece of armor and using Seal of Wisdom. This was the case in HoL, but things had gone mostly smoothly. I say mostly because we did have some cases of Oh Look The Melee Died, but that was mostly the rogue not realizing that running out of The Bad was generally better for his health.
I would also like to note that the only time I had issues with aggro was when Josh ended up in Frost Presence. Yet for some reason, as we’re clearing the trash to Loken, I get a whisper from the warlock.
“Did you know that Seal of Vengeance does more threat?”
I halted. All sorts of surprise and sarcasm welled forth (“No shit?”), but I managed a polite, “I know, but I’m overgeared to the point where I have mana problems in old heroics, so use Wisdom.” And unable to help myself, I pointed out Vengeance is not the seal to use on trash, regardless. Mobs don’t live long enough for the stacks to be really useful.
…so they oh so helpfully told me I should chain pull.
“Ah,” I said, “but I’ve learned I can’t always trust the DPS to behave in random heroics, making chain pulling difficult.” I continue to boggle at how much some people struggle with the concept of letting the tank position mobs.
I got a non-committal response with a : \ face.
…then I whined to Josh that I was being told how to tank, and he initiated a vote-kick for the person. /facepalm
I’m just wondering why the hell someone would feel compelled to try to tell me how to play when I’m not having any fucking problems. The rogue died when all the slag mobs exploded? Not due to threat on my part. The DK and the rogue died on the lightning crackly boss because they can’t get out of the fucking way? Not my problem. I even generally held all the trash, so I’m not sure why this stranger on the internet felt compelled to tell me I was using the “wrong” seal when anyone who actually plays a fucking pally tank would know exactly why I was using Wisdom.
How about you don’t make an already timid tank second guess herself further by keeping your fucking mouth shut?
Oh by the way, did you know that you shouldn’t use fear in an instance? It’s really annoying.
I think that when the WoW game designers are creating challenges for healing in new 5 man content, the thought process almost always goes towards “Yeah, let’s put in some AoE damage, that’ll do it!” Yeah, well as a holy paladin all I can say is SCREW YOU, Blizzard. I am disappointed in you, go sit in your corner. >(
This has been our weak point since the expansion started (and before then too, of course), though they have improved it a little bit over time, with letting overheals transfer through Beacon (yay, hax). But the fact that my freshly 80 resto druid with only a couple of T9 ilvl 232 pieces and a whole bunch of blues can keep a group up through heroic Pit of Saron just as easily (and maybe a little better) than my ICC geared holy paladin is just a big old slap in the face.
I joke about making Sophie’s choice when it comes to which of the dps will stay alive, but in all honesty it’s not fun. I don’t like having to make that call when I don’t feel that I should have to, because other healers don’t. I don’t like that I have to be able to throw heals at lightening speed to keep everyone alive, or the fact that you have to be geared to the teeth to even make that possible. I can’t even imagine how frustrating it is to be a newly 80 paladin trying to keep up! Actually, I kind of can because there was a point when heroics were HARD and I used to lose people to silly standing in things gimmicks much more frequently than I do now. One of my first healing experiences was wiping repeatedly in Gundrak because people stood in the poison. “But my holy priest can keep everyone up through that!” Well I am not a priest, so just do what you’re supposed to, ffs.
I realize that the game designers want to keep us in our nice little tank healing OMG BIG BALLS OF HOLY LIGHT niche, but it makes me angry that they don’t take that into consideration when designing encounters that aren’t raids, in content that is meant to be accessible by everyone. All three of the newest heroics are basically difficult because there are pulls where everyone is taking damage. Not such a big issue when you have chain heal, HoTs, CoH, or even shields, but when all you have is some Bacon, an instant cast on a cooldown, and a little heal with a cast time, it can be a big fat pain.
Just having people die is annoying. It’s even worse when people don’t understand that, so you get a lot of cries of “wtf, why didn’t you heal me through that?” and “you suck at healing!”. Yeah, well you suck at killing the boss fast enough to not get hit by the AoE, or at just plain getting out of the AoE. SO THERE.
I’m Cel, but you’ve probably seen me lately in screenshots as Orithea, the holy paladin. You know, the one who likes to say “ass cherry”. Try it, it’s fun to say!
Like Amber said, I’m going to add some paladin flavor to the bubbles blog, because zomg I like bubbles too! I am more than slightly jealous of the fact that disc priest bubbles are visually superior to holy paladin bubbles. We get the short stick when it comes to spell effects – little glowy gold sparkles? PFFT.
My first item of concern for you holy paladins is this: do you know where your Judgement is? I don’t know if it’s just me being lazy because I have to go crazy with constantly casting to make sure that people don’t die while I take my eyes off the screen for a moment, but I never select a target to hit with my Judgement. I generally trust that my hammer will, I dunno, hit something that the group actually has AGGRO ON, but apparently that is just sometimes too much to hope for. I can’t be the only one who has accidentally pulled trash aaaaaall the way across the room during a boss fight, can I? (Please tell me I’m not. ;_;) I hate that this seems to only happen to me in heroics, where people probably think that I am complete nubsauce, pulling things left and right. I swear I’m better than that!
When I first started this blog, my priest was a baby!alt and I was still, first and foremost, a holy paladin. You can see my dusty, out dated paladin stuff still there on the sidebar.
Then the priest hit 80, became my main, and it was all about disc flavored bubbles from there. I was so frustrated with holy paladins that I specced her prot and tanked for a bit. Now she’s essentially retired, down to being logged out in her level 60 gear.
I have, however, somewhat regretted the lack of paladin-bubble flavor in this blog. When my dear Celaeno (Orithea?) posted earlier that she felt odd posting paladin stuff in her Disco Priest blog, I went…hmm.
I have now extended her author privileges to I Like Bubbles, so she can pepper us with her delightful paladiny goodness.
I Like Bubbles, now with restored hearthing abilities.
A year ago (give or take-technically, it was the 29th), I was sitting at work. Almost no one was there and I was bored as hell. I worked through all the blogs that I read and eventually ran out of interesting, unblocked internet to read.
So…I decided to write a blog. I never had any ambitions, I just wanted to pass the time at work and perhaps entertain/post the occasional useful tidbit. When I started, I had a holy paladin chewing through Naxx and a baby disc priest…
…and now I’ve given up the holy paladin gig for tanking bubbles, and the priest has stolen the spot light.
All in all, it’s been an amazing year! I can’t believe that I now regularly get over a thousand hits a day. Holy crap, that’s a lot of really bored people wandering this way!
Happy new year, merry bubbling, and may you not have much of the RL equivialant of standing in fires this upcoming year!
Me, I’ll probably be posting pictures of some of my guildies being drunk later…
I decided to carry out my little experiment. I logged on to Ambrosine, which resulted in a small explosion of dust. Her gear is mediocre-tanking ToC10 is really the pinnacle of her ability right now. Despite that, it is still all epics, gemmed and enchanted and showing that I’ve managed to flail my way through several raids somehow.
I did three heroics, including Halls of Stone, which I loathe. Things did not go flawlessly-I tried to skip a couple of mob packs to save time, which resulted in people pulling them, naturally. The healer died at least once. I lost control of an add here and there, even as a lolpaladin. I was often mana starved, until I won the Winter Hat in Nexus and put it on.
Yes, folks, I ran around in a gods be damned Winter Hat (visible-see above!) and no one said a damned word. In fact, everyone was quite nice. This tells me a few things:
1) Even mediocre epics make a difference in people’s attitudes, or
2) I got damned lucky with the handful of heroics that I did despite every single one over the weekend being full of fail, or
3) The Ruin battlegroup is magically less fail than the Vindication battlegroup, or
4) Winter hats are awesome
Obviously this is an experiment I’ll have to continue, but the initial results are…interesting.
On another note, I was no more OOM with a disc priest healer than I was with the others. I sure can see the geared paladin plight in the older heroics though-damn, even with Divine Plea up, I was perpetually running on fumes! I was drinking before some pulls! My suggestion is that you either downgrade some gear, or wear something silly (like my hat) while still remaining over def cap. Don’t ask the disc priest to not bubble you, you’ll make me cry (and I’ll swear that it didn’t fucking matter).
ETA: If you want advice better then “wear a silly hat” go here, my fellow mana starved tankadins!
There was actually a little discussion on Twitter about gender and in game roles and why we just don’t see that many women playing tanks. I’d rather not touch gender issues with even a 40 foot stick, but it’s an interesting observation none the less. Oh they’re out there, to be sure. And some of them are damned fine tanks. But there’s not many of them, and/or some of them hide very well. I can’t get onto Vent without wanting to yap, so no hiding for me.
Is it something to do with the pressure? Tanking pressure is different from healing pressure. Tanking, especially in a raiding situation, is more lime light-y. I mean there’s 5 other healers…and 2 other tanks. They are WATCHING you, man. WATCHING YOU. YES THIS FREAKS ME THE FUCK OUT AAAAH.
It amuses me to think that right this moment, in BoO, there are three women who play (healy!) priests who also have tanky paladin alts. For two of us, these alts were our mains at one point. What the hell is it with priests and paladins?
Speaking of alts healers like to have in common: Back in BC, we wanted a hunter for Kara, so we asked who had hunter alts to swap out. There were a few hunter alts, as it turned out-all of our healers had one. No one else, of course just…all of the healers. /facepalm
Anyway. Last night was supposed to be a Naxx25 badge/lolgear run…and we had…er…12 people? Maybe? There were no pugs in site. Naxx is officially a ghost town…deserted…the red headed step child of raiding instances, what have you. We dropped it down to a 10, though, and proceeded to lol our way through that. It was more amusing goofing off with 10 guildies than running many heroics with 5. :P That, and I got some more MT experience under my belt (though Loth is boring as ever) and made at least 2 pathetic shows as lolret. Let me tell you, having someone on Heigan who has never tanked it before…and a ret paladin who has never been melee down there before…results in a dead retadin. And a dead most everyone else, apparently. Oh, DDR boss, how we hate you! I managed to Not Fail Grobb, though. Er, well, not badly. Only Josh died… >.>
I did get JUST enough badges from it to replace my Naxx10 chest (!) with the badge one. That should help me out a lot! I should go pug VoA as a tank for more gear, but it scares me. I don’t know why, but…it does. Tanking in general scares me far more than healing or DPSing ever has. I’m so terrified of screwing up in front of everybody! O noes! And it’s hard to do a “guild” VoA run first to learn the fight…nope…gotta jump in there cold…ugh!
I am such a pansy. I do love tanking though. Of course I also love disc priesting, and shadow priesting, and BM huntering… I might love retadining if I didn’t SUCK at it. I can’t tolerate being bad. :( You know the kids who thought anything less than an A was a failure? That’s me. Being a disc priest is probably healthy for me. “Oh look, I’m at the bottom of the meters…WHERE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE” vs “OH GOD THE OTHER HOLY PALADINS ARE BEATING ME WHYYYYY”.
No, this post had no point. I’m all silly and rambly right now, and distracted by Nano. I think that, next week, I’ll start ToC Strats. Woooo, actual content!
Random thought: The funny thing about being a known kidder is that one rare occasions where I’m feeling especially bitter, sometimes the truth comes out and everyone laughs unknowingly.