Guild Culture

The culture of a guild is often a key point in guild selection. If you’re a very silly person in a very serious guild (or vice versa), chances are people will be rubbed the wrong way. Being a super serious raider in a casual raiding guild will drive everyone crazy–you’ll think they’re slackers, they’ll think you’re an elitst cumbucket, and no one will be happy.

Matching your personality to that of your guild is important–so tell me, why the hell do people stay in guilds they don’t like?

I set the tone of my guild more so than some GMs, in large part because so many recruits come from the blog. If you like the blog you usually have at least an appreciation for crude humor and absolute silliness, making Stands in Bad absolute hell for anyone who can’t stand a lot of penis jokes.

We had a guildie put in an app to another guild for his main and state that he had me on ignore because I “said stupid things”.  And WORSE YET, when he’d complain?  Everyone else would chime in and say THE SAME STUPID THINGS.  Those Hyperbole and a Half quotes, man, aren’t they terrible?

He took his main out of the guild but left all his alts in, which confuses me terribly. If you hate the guild jokes so much–and they are all very much guild jokes by this point, WE ALL SAY ALL THE THINGS–why the bloody hell are you still around, shitting up the place with your poor attitude? And just to be clear I’m not talking about poor attitude meaning he just doesn’t like my jokes. I mean there’s been shit-stirring forum posts and the like during some other recent drama.

Let’s face it, in any given personality conflict situation, this sort of thing is what often ends up happening.  The person who doesn’t fit in gets upset, and if s/he doesn’t just quietly leave some day, s/he usually starts acting up. Next thing you know they are stirring up shit and you often have no idea why. 

Now I hate gkicking people, I really do, and the more tied up you are to other people, the more I hate doing it.  In a case like this it’s even weirder: what do I say as to my reasoning? You’ve been kind of a giant cockmonger lately and we know you don’t like us anyway,  so why don’t you get the fuck out?

It all comes back to the initial question for me: If people don’t like the guild, why do they stay?  I can understand if a raid spot is important to you, but if you’re not raiding, what keeps you?  If it’s for some particular group of friends, are they happy in the guild?  If they are but you’re not, and you find yourself getting increasingly bitter over stuff, don’t you stop to think that maybe you’re starting to make it less enjoyable for them?

Guild culture is critically important for me–if I don’t like the atmosphere and the people, I’m not staying, and that’s seems to be the attitude of most people. Is there a motivation I’m missing here? Are level 25 guilds that awesome still? Is there an enjoyment some people take in pissing in the pool?

I boggle, internet.

ETA: WordPress just killed me with lulz.

You used the following categories and tags: Amber doesnt know what the hell is wrong with you sometimes, Stuff and Things, dinged up GM hat, what is this I dont even, and wtf.

Add a couple more to make your post easier for others to discover. Some suggestions: personality conflict, penis jokes, poor attitude, cumbucket, and absolute hell.

You’re right, WordPress.  Cumbucket should really be a tag.

Now it is.

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  1. #1 by Rivs on August 10, 2011 - 11:05 am

    I like pissing in the pool, makes the water a little warmer. ;)

  2. #2 by Kim on August 10, 2011 - 11:15 am

    Sometimes people stay in the guild because their friends who LIKE the guild talk them into staying. They stay for their friends even if they don’t get along with the GM or whatever. There’s really no excuse for actual shit-stirring, though.

  3. #3 by Expatriate on August 10, 2011 - 11:17 am

    I have gkicked people and given them the reason, “You’re not happy here and your presence is poisoning the well water. Go fly. Be free. Find somewhere that actually fits your wants.”

    I do not understand wanting to stay somewhere that you are not happy. But people do it in relationships, so why not guilds? It’s just shitty behavior. But the behavior is usually linked with the attitude that the entire guild culture should change to fit their minority wishes. I suppose it’s like the stereotype of the girl marrying a guy and expecting him to change.


  4. #4 by Nebet on August 10, 2011 - 11:59 am

    I would like to echo what Kim said. Friends-of-friends don’t always get along with each other, and guilds are large enough that every person is not going to be directly friends with every other member. So you end up with “cliques” and little sub-groups, with people who are friends with people in multiple subgroups sort of tying it all together…you hope.

    That said, there’s no real reason for shit-stirring — of course there isn’t. I don’t like kochleffels any more than the rest of you — people who are like big cooking ladles, always “stirring the pot” just to get a rise out of people. Then again, one person’s shit-stirring can be another person’s legitimate issue-taking. Again, it’s a matter of culture: some people are more tolerant of open conflict than others and see it as productive, “getting everything out in the open,” whereas others might see it as intolerable, stressful, and something to be squelched at any cost. Oftentimes the truth of the matter is somewhere in the interstices of all the different opinions, and sometimes it’s nowhere, especially where subjective experience is concerned. (I would like to make it clear that I am speaking in generalities, here, not the specific instance cited in the OP.)

    Also, “culture” is not a homogenous thing, even in a WoW guild where the GM and the officers have the opportunity to set (and enforce) the tone of the guild. I’ve found that the tenor of guild chat changes immensely based on many factors, including the time of day — for example, in another guild that I’ve been a member of for a very long time (since I helped found it 6 years ago, though patchily in the past few years,) it’s nothing but stupid kids and stoners and stupid stoner kids during “peak” hours from 4 to 9, but in the middle of the night there are a lot more adult members: people who work odd shifts, Australians and New Zealanders, etc., including the GM and many of the officers and “core” members. Clearly, the guild isn’t named Prowlers of the Night for no reason, but since I’m on a regular workday now, it’s less worthwhile for me to be online over there when I have time for WoW and don’t have to be in bed.

    Social networks (the real ones, not the software designed to support them) are complicated. -shrug-

  5. #5 by Krikket on August 10, 2011 - 12:59 pm

    There have been points in time in every guild I’ve been in where I’ve been less than 100% happy for one reason or another.

    Sometimes, I stayed to fight for what I thought was right.

    Sometimes, I stayed because I knew that – given enough time – the situation would resolve itself with no help or input for me. I just had to be patient.

    Sometimes, I stayed because I’m fucking stubborn.

    Sometimes, I stayed because my significant other was DELIGHTED and I thought I was being too sensitive.

    Personally, although I think there are millions of valid reasons for being frustrated or displeased with the culture in your guild, I would have never considered “My GM says stupid things” to be one of them. Of course, I love that my GM says stupid things – it makes it SO MUCH EASIER to make fun of her. :P

    That said, if you feel strongly enough about the things that bother you to have the GM or officers on ignore on a permanent basis*? No matter what’s holding you to the guild, it’s maybe time to move on.

    (*using ignore to get yourself a cooling off period? Totally valid.)

  6. #6 by Mittenz on August 10, 2011 - 6:24 pm

    “using ignore to get yourself a cooling off period? Totally valid.”

    Phew, glad I’m not the only one.

  7. #7 by Matty on August 11, 2011 - 12:04 am

    Yes: Is there an enjoyment some people take in pissing in the pool?

    Yes. Yes. Yes. Too f*cking lazy to get out of the pool and use the toilet to piss.

    (…and quietly wonders in awe….is she Hyperbole?…..)

    (Star-struck,quivering, manga-eyes: between Hyperbole and The Oatmeal (…I have hope)

  8. #8 by Apple on August 11, 2011 - 12:39 am

    Every time you post about your guild, you make me want to roll an alt. *fistshake*

  9. #9 by tytalus on August 11, 2011 - 12:30 pm

    The reason I stayed in the guild I was in for awhile, after I had become unhappy, was my S.O. If not for her I would have bailed much sooner than I eventually did. But then, doing stuff in the game together is one of its features for me, and now that’s going to be difficult/awkward/impossible…oh well. Change is hard.

  10. #10 by repgrind on August 11, 2011 - 2:09 pm

    Sometimes I have to wonder what visitors to my blog think. My comments section, and even the post content at times, is so filled with my guild’s ‘culture’ that the average passerby is going to say ‘wtf?!?’ and have no idea what is going on. lol.

    I’ve been in guilds where I didn’t mesh with the culture in the past, though, and I can say from experience that finding a place I *do* fit in was the best move I could have ever made.

  11. #11 by Gorbag on August 12, 2011 - 1:48 pm

    Maybe it’s just because my guild is small, but we don’t really have the subgroups and personality conflicts that seem so disruptive, yet prevalent, in other guilds. I’ve kicked a couple of people over the years, mainly for shit stirring and being disruptive, and I’ve always said the same thing – don’t treat people in my guild like shit. If you can’t follow that simple expectation, gtfo. I’m not a babysitter.

  12. #12 by Sryii on August 12, 2011 - 1:57 pm

    If he has you on ignore how will he whine about his alts being gkicked? It really may be pure laziness or the new guild only allows mains in. If that is the case kick them or leave them in. The best they will do is generate a bit of income for the guild from looting monsters. Personally I am fine with kicking people who quit.

    I love the blog and thought about joining but my profanity filter is on and I just don’t think I’d be able to understand gchat :/

  13. #13 by Forreststump on August 16, 2011 - 12:53 pm

    Elitist Cumbuckets™

    Now trademarked. Could even make a porn theorycraft site with that name, too.

  14. #14 by Matojo on August 16, 2011 - 6:48 pm

    Porn theorycraft, huh? Gimme a URL and I’ll be there in like, seconds, I mean what.

    I’m fucking stubborn, m’self, and tend to stick ’til I get absolutely sick and tired of shit, or ’til I’m kicked. I haven’t actually BEEN kicked from a guild (that I recall) yet, I just… one of the major RP guilds on my server, I quietly left in the dead of night because there was so much bullshit I couldn’t stand it anymore (they have a lot of the creepers I fought to keep out of my guild now – HILARIOUS).

    And now that I’m a GM … I GET TO HAVE SIMILAR ADVENTURES LOLOL. But seriously, I’m really fussy with recruitment. I know the sort of people that would get along in my guild or that wouldn’t and I’m usually able, from the start, to be like, “Honestly I don’t think you’d fit – good luck out there!” or “You’ll be awesome here, c’mon in”. We’re silly fuckers, too.

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